Berkeley Sea Scout skipper busted on child molestation charges

What's the fuss?

Evans was only trying to instill in those young men the ways of the seaman.

*thwack!*  (knocked myself upside my own head for that one.)

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by: RadicalRuss @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 13:44:58 PM CST

Yo Russ.

Am I the only one who thinks America is becoming too prudish and squeamish about sex?  (The rethorical question is not directed at you, of course.)

There is child molestation.  Pre-pubescent children.  Then there are 'children' over 13.  I have taught children that age, and was more open with them than most other teachers, so I ended up hearing about their sex lives, both boys and girls.  I took a 13 year old boy to an AIDS test.  I talked to a 14 year-old girl about her experiences with older men AND women.  These are fully sexual beings, and if we didn't think that sex was DIRTY we wouldn't put so much emphasis on the damaging aspect of sex with teenagers.  Nor they would be so 'scarred' by the experience.  (Which is mostly NOT the case, anyway.)  How about parents who beat their kids, or who don't educate them?  Or who shove the Bible down their throats?  Or who tell them their sexuality is wrong?  That's far worse, if it weren't for the stigma placed on sexuality by our society.

So these children are not fully capable of making decisions for themselves.  That's true.  But what's the big fucking deal about sex?  What about drugs?  Are the kids capable of deciding?  Of course not, but the truth is that pot will not damage most, certainly not as much as getting a narrow-minded and bigoted view of the world, and any kid who leaves high school without having tried drugs is a little poorer for it.

I don't condone those Republican hypocrites who are all like family values and abstinence, then have sex with teenagers.  But I hate labeling everyone whose preferences run to the youger set as perverts.  Any boy or girl who's 13 or 14 and frequents the pickup web sites is fully capable of having sex with an older person if he/she so wants.  Sex is NOT a big deal.  Craig is not a pervert because he picks up 16 year-olds.  He's an asshole because he supports family values.

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by: Tomistocles @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 20:08:08 PM CST

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I cannot let this one go

I'm sorry Pam in advance for the swearing but I'm really, really frigging angry at this moron.

The reason we have an age of consent in most countries is to set a boundary, a baseline if you will, at which we as a society considers a person to be morally and emotionally unable to cope with sexual relationships.  Whilst sex to YOU is no big deal it can, and is, to a  14 year old who has neither the maturity nor ability to cope with it.  Fucktards like you like to think you can peronally judge who is, and isn't, capable of crossing this boundary but in reality you're just trying to excuse your perversions. 

You sound EXACTLY like the freak I just put away for four years ( not nearly enough) for having sex with a  child.  He was her 27 year old teacher who couldn't keep it in his pants and she was his 13 year old student who "thought" she was in love with him.  The girl faces years of therapy for the fucking mind games he played with her.

 Funnily enough he bleated the same "I'm closer to them than most teachers" crap you're spouting and thought it was also appropriate to discuss sexual acts ( and I'm not talking sex education here) with the children.  He had a list of when most of his girl students menstruated, for Christs's sake, so he "knew when to be more considerate to them".  He was a dirty fucking pervert and so are you.

 Regular readers to this blog who have read my comments before will probably be shocked I'm being so virulent as I'm usually light hearted but I spend days putting shit like you behind bars and I've heard all your crap, lame excuses.  Get some therapy you fucked up pervert and I thank Christ you're in the US and not anywhere near my kids.

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by: Vicster @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 21:12:12 PM CST

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Thank you...

You got to it before I did, but only by minutes, LOL, I couldn't let it go either.  Thanks for standing up !

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by: PhyllisMs @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 21:45:32 PM CST

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You're a stupid cunt.

That's all.

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by: Tomistocles @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:43:10 AM CST

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What an ignorant response...

Thanks for the compliment...

   Coming from someone like you, it's definately a compliment. I feel good, evidently you don't.

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:48:36 AM CST

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You're fucking pathetic

to think I'm a child molester because I make a statement.  I don't want anywhere near your kids, don't be afraid.  You're one of the most irrational posters here.  If you are a lawyer dealing with these things, I'm sorry for our country.

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by: Tomistocles @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:52:49 AM CST

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Here's where you lie again...

Quote:"I don't want anywhere near your kids, don't be afraid". Unquote.

After saying this;

 Quote: I have taught children that age, and was more open with them than most other teachers, so I ended up hearing about their sex lives, both boys and girls. I talked to a 14 year-old girl about her experiences with older men AND women. Unquote.

It's highly inappropriate for you to be discussing these things with the students without another teacher present or someone who is trained in this field. Some children speak of these things with adults because they are reaching out for someone to help them. You fail them as a teacher and an educator. 

NOTE: and here also "you" call them children too. Your definations change at your will but your intent doesn't and are loud and clear.

Your the typical criminal mind, now trying to clean up your nasty, the "crimescene" and even trying to twist the definations of words. It's no wonder why a person here, who works in the law, spotted you. 

  It's creepy. You become these kids confidant having the mentality that "sex with teenagers" is ok? Your the kinds of people who are the enemies of society, who lurk behind the draperies, who prey on the weak and frail of youth.  Your the kind of people we make these laws against so that a civilized world can flourish. I just hope that intent reaches it's target before too late for some innocent child.

 

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 05:22:55 AM CST

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Not just a pervert

but a mysogynistic pervert too.  

ALLY (ALLIE) (transitive) To connect or form a relation between by similitude, resemblance, friendship, or love.

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by: Vicster @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:50:27 AM CST

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How so mysogynistic?

Please explain.

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by: Tomistocles @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:54:43 AM CST

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Anyone who uses

a vernacular for a female part of the anatomy as a term of derision is a mysogynist who has serious women issues.  Given the amount of women, straight, lesbian, bisexual and transgender on this site you should probably get a drift for what terms piss them off.

May I remind you YOU are the one that said having sex with children was ok  and you are the one that discusses sexual acts with your female students.  You are plainly the one that is fucking pathetic, not me.  And you obviously can't read as I made it quite plain I was not in the US.  Open your eyes pervert troll. I've taken on bigger and better paedophiles thn you and won.  Go hide behind your pathetic excuses for child molestation.

ALLY (ALLIE) (transitive) To connect or form a relation between by similitude, resemblance, friendship, or love.

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by: Vicster @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:01:30 AM CST

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And please

an example of my "irrationality" as a poster.  Bet you can't provide one.  I've been posting here a lot longer than you little man and I think I'm fairly well known to the community as being fair, biased and honest.  You, on the other hand, appear a month ago and seem to be doing your best to piss everyone off.

ALLY (ALLIE) (transitive) To connect or form a relation between by similitude, resemblance, friendship, or love.

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by: Vicster @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:04:41 AM CST

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you mean

unbiased, i presume. :)

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by: Lurleen @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:07:37 AM CST

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Cheers Lurleen

anger gets me some BIG typos!

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by: Vicster @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:13:20 AM CST

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Am I pissing everyone off?

If so, I'll move on to a different place to post.  It seems to me that I ahve pissed off only a couple of virulent and not too rational posters.

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by: Tomistocles @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:11:37 AM CST

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I use the term prick too.

I don't know why you should claim the right to be immune to such terms.

I didn't talk about having sex with children.  I talked about sex with teenagers, who are not children.

I'm really surprised that there are several people here in Pam's Blend who equate an opinion with a practice.  It's so not helpful to GLBT rights. 

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by: Tomistocles @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:09:06 AM CST

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Again

You spout your justifications behind YOUR self determination that a teenager is not a child.  Therefore its ok by you, nothwithstanding what the government, most societies and rational people think.  I was certainly a child at 13 although I was convinced I was an adult.  Ask any parent with a teenage and you'll get the same response.  All teenagers THINK they're adults, its OUR job to nurture, care and look after them through this period.  NOT HAVE SEX WITH THEM. And fuck you hiding behind GLBT rights.  Paedophilia has NOTHING to do with sexual orientaton so just fuck off about that.   

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by: Vicster @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:17:55 AM CST

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such brilliant wordsmithery.

i am swayed by the elegance of your repartee.  do your teen-aged charges swoon at such eloquence?

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by: Lurleen @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:18:48 AM CST

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damaging aspect of sex with teenagers...Please re-evalutate your convictions.

   You know that children are easily influenced, by their perception about things like money, glamour, nice cars, people they perceive as "kool", etc., and their decision making processes are not equal to one, say, one who is a "mature"  30 years olds. They are just not up to par with wiles of this crooked world.  

I do not feel that sex with teenagers is an appropiate behavior for adults practice and that is why there is a statuatory law, that I agree with completely. If you can't get "any" with the numbers of adults who have sex freely, (I mean even with drugs and alcohol at your desposal) you need to seek therapy about your social behaviors and skills.   

   Granted, sexual awakening comes at different ages for different people, but I feel that their experimenting should be with those peers of whom they are associated with in their age brackets and social circles, but, agreed, that choice will always be theirs and some may experiment with older people, even adults.

   I have been around teenage girls and boys, listened to their conversations and the level of their understanding of the world around them and why or how an adult could want to lie in bed and have sex with one, is beyond me.  

   My sexual appetite at 13 was alive, full of fantasy, and I exercised it intensly but in no way do I feel it would have been alright for an adult to engage me while entrusted to their care by my parents or by a stranger. It is wrong and worrying, for an adult to perpetuate this upon children including the teens, but for the children it is a moral decision that many do regret that they allowed it to happen, and suffer guilt and remorse for many years, blaming themselves.

It sounds as though you have tendencis towards pedophilia and are defending the practice. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Quote: These are fully sexual beings, and if we didn't think that sex was DIRTY we wouldn't put so much emphasis on the damaging aspect of sex with teenagers.  Nor they would be so 'scarred' by the experience.  (Which is mostly NOT the case, anyway.) Unquote.

I felt sometimes my father beat me too and I did get some real good whippings too, but I've thought about that a lot and it did keep me from doing "some" things, and it did give me an understanding of "authority" which many in prison and the regularly unemployed never learned. I'm thankful I had a father who stayed with the family for life and supported and lived his life for us, his family. I love and respect him immensly, less when I was younger, but all the more with maturity.

                                                Phyllis

 

 

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 21:43:31 PM CST

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Thanks for the support Phyllis

I come over as very angry I know and I am.

I work in a community based legal service that basically concentrates on law reform.  The area I get to practice the most is sexual equality law which consists mainly of sexual harassment litigation and law reform on gender and sexual orientation issues.  This area can be wonderfually rewarding and we have made great progress in the last few years in particular with heading towards full marriage for LGBT.  However, the flip side of things is I also have to so the sexual misconduct suits, almost all child molestation.  Its a dark and ugly world and I hate it witha passion.  It drags you almost under with its sickness and I have seen some of the most horrible and depraved things a human can see.  It has been particularly bad in the last three years since I became a mother as it becomes even more personal.  Everyone in this field has a burn out time and I'm coming very close to it, the point where I can no longer say "someone has to do it" or "I'm getting them put away" and have it overcome the day to day revulsion I have to endure.

Being able to admit that and talk about it helps enormously ( and a twice monthly debriefing with a shrink) so if I vent about it in a particular forum please excuse me, I'm otherwise quite  a normal person!

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by: Vicster @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 22:05:34 PM CST

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Your entitled...

Your entitled to your anger and it is "just". We need that anger to make us stand up for what is right, it comes from a deep and pure perception of right and wrong. Don't deny yourself your anger. I support you.

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 22:30:51 PM CST

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You have some good points, Phyllis.

Especially the stuff about peers.  And I agree with it.  But I still stand by my comment on the whole.  Sex is no big deal.

I have no tendency towards pedophilia.  At all.  Have a married partner my age and am not at all interested in young'ins, never had sex with them.  This stereotypiung is akin to accusing gay friendly people of being gay.  Please take it back. 

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by: Tomistocles @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:49:31 AM CST

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Sex is no big deal...

That's not what you referred to.

 Quote: if we didn't think that sex was DIRTY we wouldn't put so much emphasis on the damaging aspect of sex with teenagers.  Nor they would be so 'scarred' by the experience.  (Which is mostly NOT the case, anyway.) Unquote.

I call a spade a spade and I won't take it back.

Trying to clean up act now, but a little too late. Your heart spilled it's beans.

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:57:18 AM CST

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Why is an opinion a statement of what I like to do?

Youre really an idiot, and not just because you misspell "it's" and you use a mixed metaphor in a heart spilling its beans.

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by: Tomistocles @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:01:11 AM CST

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Ah

Resorting to ad homs.  The last action of a dickwad backed into a corner he has created for himself by his stupid statements.

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by: Vicster @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 01:09:16 AM CST

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physical damage

others have covered most points already, but i'd like to add that girls in the age range you're speaking of can be severely physically damaged by penetration.  it's not just a question of potential coercion and emotional damage, it's a question of physical trauma.

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by: Lurleen @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:37:25 AM CST

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So true...

A very good point, thanks for the input. We need more people to stand up, unafraid speak out.

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:51:16 AM CST

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Conference on Right Wing Sexual Deviants

I really think the time has come for an emergency national conference on how to deal with these sick people.  The conference could be attended by teachers, lawyers, law officials, clergy, doctors with the purpose of discussing this sickness and how we as a nation need to deal with these hypocrites.

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by: paulko @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 15:03:14 PM CST

Comparison to Dem Staffer

The really sad part is that the far right can use the recent case of the Dem staffer caught by one of those "predator" stings and claim that neither side is any better. They will continue to willfully ignore their own hypocrisy and continue to argue that associations with specific groups, like the Boy Scouts, or specific religions somehow clears people of suspicion.  

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by: CPT_Doom @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 15:41:59 PM CST

no comparison

in the case of teh staffer, there was no child involved.  only his alleged interest in someone posing as a child online.  whereas this boy scout asshol did abuse actual children.  no comparison.

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by: Lurleen @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 16:02:30 PM CST

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I'm not sure you can call it hypocrisy.

Sometimes people are so ashamed of their own orientations; they know their inner demons and know what a threat they are that they preach against them, do everything they can to suppress them....then they just snap.

It's different than, say, Al Gore's hypocrisy on global warming by flying that private jet around.  That kind of hypocrisy is inexcusable because it is totally willful and unaffected by an enormous sexual impulse.

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by: Clownley @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 17:49:56 PM CST

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Hooray! Someone we think is from the right molested boys!!!

I heard on Sean Hannity that Evans had never been married.  I guess in 64 years, he'd never met the right girl.

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by: Clownley @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 17:15:57 PM CST

Freeper Response?

So, what do the Freepers say now?

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by: Holly in Cincinnati @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 17:22:51 PM CST

apparently nothing

...so far. Not a peep from the swamps.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 18:39:33 PM CST

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Closeted

The case we've been trying to make to the Boy Scouts is that it's the closeted ones that will get you. They're the ones getting caught in bathrooms, and in boats.  

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by: steveshack @ Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 19:52:28 PM CST

It's the closeted ones (including most likely their founder) who make the Boy Scouts freak about "teh gay" the way they do.......

OY!

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by: oddjob @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 00:09:20 AM CST

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Usually, the closeted ones are married, with children...

...On the subject matter of the post, my spouse's German grandfather joined the (German) merchant marine as a cabin boy at the age of 14.  This was post WWI.  I won't speculate as to whether he engaged in homosex while aboard ship, but I would suspect that he did.  This kind of thing isn't new.

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by: raj @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 07:58:19 AM CST

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A gay bay-area scout leader. WHY do you highlight this here?

In trying to shoot the right wing with a slingshot, you inadvertently blow your own head off with a mortar shell.

Think about it.  This is fodder for evangelicals. The male leader who molested the boys was gay by definition.  He lives in the bastion of homosexuality and some would say permissiveness, being in Berkeley. 

Why on earth would you illuminate this?  It's very similar to the stories about serial kiddie rapist Father John Geoghan.

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by: Clownley @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 09:57:20 AM CST

We shouldn't shield them...

I don't think we should shield them but they should be denounced loudly and publically. There will be these kinds in any group and any peoples who are upright and decent will publically acknowledge and publically denounce such behaviors and I think it looks good for us to do just that, rather than be perceived to protect them and hide them just because they are gay, etc. They are not one of us, they are one of those in the minority and I think denouncing them as publically as possible and forthrightly shows that for the majority, we are not like that and don't believe in it nor do we support those who practice it.

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 11:54:08 AM CST

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What you're saying makes sense

about mentioning it.  However, I think the nyah nyah gotcha-in-your-hypocrisy stuff that goes on here could easily backfire and open the door for that kind of treatment towards gays in general. 

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by: Clownley @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:00:45 PM CST

I can agree...

 I understand your stand also, I'm not one to make fun of losers in any contest because the harder I rub salt in their wound, the same they do to me when the shoe is on the other foot. I'm not one for feeding frenzies or rabid dog attacks, nor violations of the Geneva Conventions, so I can agree with you also.

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 20:24:06 PM CST

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