clip video #3 (oh mercy.)
(Prof. John Frary, old guy in Lagado or Laredo Univ shirt and sports jacket) For the Yes on the People's Veto
partial transcript few words are _
Frary:
first of all I apologize for holding you up i wasn't watching the clock first of all i'm not here to do any religious sermons to tell the truth there are certain items in the 10 commandments which cause me a certain amount of embarrassments still it should be mentioned my own background i was... baptised in _ (?mumble) church and served in sunday school a short time and when the old boy refused to let me pull the bell pull i became discontented with organized religion... remained unchurched until 2004 when I joined with the traditional anglican communion which broke with the regular Episcopal Church on the question of ordination of an openly homosexual bishop... now my brother the anglican priest who has separated himself from the Episcopal Church USA he suggested to me one time that hatred of homosexuals is a worse sin than the homosexual act and in fact the scripture makes no reference to condemning homosexuals as such
it condemns homosexual acts just as it condemns a whole series of heterosexual acts makes sense to me
and I tried this out on Bishop Langberg and he said yes that makes sense to me .... priests _ bishops just as are biologically hard wired to notice females members of the opposite sex but they are not expected to act on their heterosexual passions that's all I have to say on religious questions
now I'm not getting into sex questions... sensational stuff there I do sex in a dreadful morass of confusion you all know perfectly well when you heard somebody say I just got f*cked in one meaning it means I just got f*cked in another meaning
(he does says "fuck" from what I'm lipreading, suddenly the moderator wakes up )
moderator: JOHN! Can you watch your language a little bit here ?
Frary: Do I have to?
moderator: yes
Frary: excuse me then spare your pretty blushes but it's a fact you all know this to be true
face it sex is a realm of family love procreation
venereal diseases adultery manipulation mendacity the whole morass so I'd rather not get into that subject whatsoever
what interests me here may seem a little arcane to you, but I've long been interested in intellectual history that's been neglected... isaac newton influence Voltaire... how ideas get transmitted fr the original printer to the man in the street
those that fell asleep in 1920 a ya Rip Van Winkle nap woke up today and found the issue of the day "homosexual marriage" and I sat down and I traced intellectual origins of this sudden concern where would I find this (start )
i just recently read interview w/ gore vidal who just characterized homosexual marriage as a crock of _ (?) I remember him from 1970 he was a best selling author lavender passions back then he was consistent most homosexuals were against homosexual marriage because it was an effort to blend into their populations which they thought was an offense to their pride and their individual characteristics
(catch the moderator doing a face palm at this point to the right of the screen)
and the whole picture of oscar wilde settled in the suburbs and enjoying the rotary would have been laughable to them somehow we've gotten to this
so where do we find a starting point some congregations have homosexual marriage but we look in vain ... can't find any... couldn't put a date on it
i know in the 1970 s they Am Psych Assoc declared it wasn't a clinical psychological disorder before that all enlightened people thought it was a psychological disorder before that nobody knows how many gays went to get themselves treated (there was) class action against shrinks for treating those figures not know to us
at that point all enlightened people thought it was according to their judgement a lifestyle choice
before that it was a psychological disorder
later it became genetically determined some believe adamanently believe that that gene has been identified and located
i have no opinion on any of this stuff never concerned me much nor occupied my mind
the thing that is on my mind is the latest __ conformity to this latest fad homosexual marriage
I'd like to see this explained I'd like to see the intellectual roots I'd like to see the development of this concept...
moderator: John! as usual you've been innovative, but time is 5 minutes, you may continue later, Shenna, you may ask him a question
Shenna: (woman in dark suit)
two of my dear family friends _ and _ were married, 48th anniversary in August, my question to you is how does this marriage affect you or anyone else ?
Frary ? You mean me ? not in the slightest
Shenna: so in follow up to my question, how does marriage for gay and lesbian couples impact negatively the opponents of gay marriage?
Frary: my understanding their concern is the making of the traditional family of course, heterosexual marriage is the center of that family they do not see this as a simple (single?) episode they see this as a process the family downgraded there are going to be dire consequences to society
In Great Britain marriage doesn't exist anymore for the working class except in the Hindu and Multi (Muslim?) populations crime rates shot up in every category except homicide and it used to be English soccer crowds and fans admired for their have good manners now they are feared thruout Europe by their rivals
all this suggests a process of aggressive degeneration
they see this as one episode in a process.
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video, part 7 Frary, for the Yes on the People's Veto side
part of transcript of old guy in Lagado or Laredo Univ Shirt and sports jacket (Prof John Frary)
Well being a cold and insensitive old bastard
I don't have any delicate sob stories to offer you ... this obsession with death and (he's muttering, cannot figure out what he's saying )
seemed kind of morbid to me
at this point, after uh 66 years of bad habits I'm looking at death or senility in 10 years, you're almost all young enough to see the outcome, ideas begin by being ignored, then various hostilities, then they begin being accepted without question this may be the course here those concerned with the durability of family life
those concerned with the process of progressive degeneracy... well. they may be right, too you'll all have a good chance to see whether they're right or wrong as I've said before, further discussion may not be necessary events resolve the issue one way or another
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moderator thank you very much patience on this subject
