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An Unexpected Conversation With The Governor

by: Louise

Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 20:44:07 PM EDT


UPDATE: After witnessing ME's Senate pass LD 1020 21-14 yesterday, I stopped by Governor Baldacci's office to leave a note, thanking him very much for calling us and giving us so much of his time to share our views, especially on such a busy day.

ANYONE can call a supporter- it takes character and integrity to call someone who is upset with you!

What I failed to mention earlier was that the Governor told Charlie that he has directed his staff to bring every single email he receives regarding LD 1020 to his attention and has read every single one- this is a man who wants to learn fully about the issue, the discussions and the views of all of his constituents.

Again, thank you, Governor Baldacci! :)

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PhotobucketFirst off - he called US.

Here at home, while installing a new fence and raised garden. Why?

Well, Governor Baldacci wanted to respond to an email my irate husband Charlie sent him.

First, what set my mild-mannered spouse off?

This quote from an interview on MPBN:


Although Gov. John Baldacci has not taken a position on LD 1020, he suggests that some kind of statewide response from Maine voters seems appropriate.

"Let me just say, it was very clear to me that the turnout of people who were there that this is an issue that people feel strongly about and they're going to want to make sure that they have their say.  In our state, I think they're going to want to be part of the decision-making.  I don't know what form that's going to take or how it's going to be done, but you just can't help but feel that way."

Charlie and others took this to signal that the Governor was planning on abdicating his responsibilities by waiting and letting LD 1020 go to a voter referendum this fall rather than signing.

So he went to the governor's website and posted the following (paraphrase):


Apparently you intend to neither sign nor veto LD 1020 when it reaches your desk. To allow this bill to simply bypass your signature would be cowardly.

The Democratic Party was the leader on civil rights, back to Selma. By ignoring this you appear more concerned with your future employment after Blaine House than the civil rights of all of the citizens of Maine.

This is craven.

Word to the wise: do NOT infer that your governor's potential actions are "craven"! ;)

Our extremely pleasant and air-clearing joint conversation below the fold:

Louise :: An Unexpected Conversation With The Governor
So here I am taking a break inside, having spent the day staining wood for a new privacy fence and helping Charlie install that and a railroad-tie raised garden (should look really cool, btw) when the phone rang. Didn't recognize the phone number, but answered it:

Me: Hello?
Man: Hello, is Charlie --- there?
Me: No, I'm sorry- he is unavailable at the moment- may I take a message? Who is this, please?
Man: This is John Baldacci.
Me: Oh- THAT'S why your voice sounds familiar! Wait one second, sir...

And I went out to the yard to fetch himself.

Me: Charlie, there is a call for you and you need to take it NOW.
Charlie: Who is it?
Me: Governor John Baldacci- REALLY.
(and I could hear the governor say, "Yes, it really is me...")

Some snips of what the Governor told Charlie:


I was extremely impressed by the arguments for both sides, but especially by the proponents.

They were very respectful- I liked that they turned their backs when they disagreed.

I was truly impressed by the people who spoke for the bill.

I was opposed to this for a long time, but people evolve, people change as time goes by.

As the conversation was very friendly and the governor despite a very busy day was willing to listen, Charlie decided to share his views on LD 1020, after relating his own long Republican background (he worked on GHWB's run against Ronald Reagan for the GOP's nomination in 1980 and only registered Democrat in 2002-3 after watching W's degredation of the first, fourth and sixth amendments and could no longer be affiliated with a party that actively worked to withdraw civil rights.  


People DO evolve and change.

Civil unions are not equal.

If the Democrats are the party of rights for all, this bill needs to be signed.

The opposition have already been gathering signatures for a people's veto and that the governor's signature doesn't take away their right to take it to a ballot (to which the governor agreed).

That as a married straight man with a family and former long-time Republican, Charlie is the opposition's poster boy.

That although his views had changed drastically politically over the years, he saw this not politically or religiously, but as a civil rights issue, as did Robert Talbot.

It was a very friendly and cordial conversation and as I later mentioned to Charlie, anyone can call a supporter- it takes guts to call somone who you KNOW disagrees with you.

But here's the thing. Charlie had read the missive to me earlier in the day and I said, "No, don't send that- let me research and verify further" and was told "Too late; it's sent!"

So I asked to speak to the Governor for a moment...

Now understand, I have only met him once before when chaperoning a school field trip to the Statehouse and in real life am VERY shy about speaking out- eeks!

But I like John Baldacci, who is from "my neck of the woods", and find him to be a very nice person. I especially like his record on important issues and think he has done a fairly good job, given the difficulties of the past decade.

Governor Baldacci has been supportive time and again and darn it, he called HERE.

So I thanked him for calling and for providing me with a wife's ultimate "Dream Come True", as I had told him NOT to send that email until I had verified. (and told him to relate the story to HIS wife at some point, as she would get a chuckle!) But I added that if I HAD found Charlie's conclusion to have been the case, I would have been wholeheartedly behind it and the tone.

I described my background- a lifelong "Jim Longley" independant until February 2008, when I finally registered as a Democrat. That until a few years ago, if someone had told me that I would learn about, advocate and take up a cause in which I had no personal stake, I would have said they were crazy.

But in my mind, this is all about FAIRNESS. All Mainers- and their families- having the same rights, being treated the same, being recognized and protected under law the same.

He then gave me his views of Maine a a state and our fellow Mainers that showed me he loves this state as deeply as I do. That Mainers are very proud and independant, wanting their own civil rights, to be treated fairly, and are willing to let people live as they want to.

I was encouraged and continued, telling him about last week's public hearing and how impressed I have been with the respectful tone set by Equality Maine and the moving stories, time and again, of families- just regular people and families- and that I had to leave because I felt I would burst into tears if I heard one more story of unequality.

That I spent 13 hours last week at the testimony (he had heard much of the testimony via livefeed and was especially impressed with the respectful messages), listening to moving stories of real Maine families, who simply want to have the same rights and protections that he and I have with OUR families.

That at one point late in the evening, I turned to a new friend and apologized, saying that I was so sorry that this was having to occur, that all of this should have been resolved DECADES ago.

At that point, he told me that civil rights sometimes take time to obtain.

I told him that I understood that all Mainers have an opinion regarding LD 1020 and while WE can all openly discuss them and many have already, HIS was the one opinion that had to be kept private and he HAS to keep quiet right now, as to let the legislative process play out without interference.

His response was that I was absolutely right.

Our later joint conclusion is that if a bill does pass and is presented to the governor for signing, he will indeed sign it.

HOWEVER, he did not say that specifically.

THIS was democracy at its best- our elected leader reaching out to speak at length with voters.

Thank you, Governor Baldacci!

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NOTE: The Maine Senate will be in session at 10 am and the vote is expected to happen fairly quickly.

If possible, I will be Twittering... will definitely be there.

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Talk about being on the front lines, Louise...
Thanks for sharing.  Made my late afternoon here at work. :)

Darn it, Louise.
I want so badly to live back in New England again sometimes, especially when I read about real representative democracy with real accountability, and politicians who care about making good policy, not always about getting re-elected.

What twitter should we follow again? We were Keene (ha!) on New Hampshire's unexpected win today, and really think tomorrow will be quite the Bangor (just shoot me).

Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking up for us. These days, when I read roll-call vote records where we win rights and protections, and see people who really have no personal stake in our fight standing up, the tears just start rolling. This is all so emotional and the stress of it leaves us raw.


2 Twitters
MCLU's Shenna Bellows (who is an utter love and smart as hell):

http://twitter.com/shennabellows

http://twitter.com/LouisePHB

I'm still sitting here saying "ZOMG"- but he's just so damned down to earth and normal a guy. Maine is such a small place and everyone knows everyone.

Baldacci's was always the best Italian restaurant in Bangor and Bangor Rye (owned by Bill Cohen's parents) was always the most amazing bakery. Their Keiser Rolls are the best, hands down.

Olympia Snowe spoke at my high school commencement.

My great-gram shared a flight from CA back home to Maine with Margaret Chase Smith.

It just goes on and on- we all know each other, generation after generation...  

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[ Parent ]
I had no idea
about New Hampshire, today has been pretty much swamped. Excellent! Both this, and NH.

And, oddly enough, when I pulled up a news article about it from the Boston Globe, the big news was that NH passed a medical marijuana bill. Oh, yeah, and equal marriage rights, too. The comments so far are all about medical marijuana. I guess marriage equality just isn't big news, now that it's gaining steam.

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing


[ Parent ]
I'm still floored
that the gender discrimination bill died 24-0.

Of what I can tell, the opposition successfully stuck the label "bathroom bill" to this important legislative measure and in doing so, trivialized and minimalized the desperate need for this bill.

I am so PISSED about that...wtf is WRONG with these haters?

But I guess to understand, I'd have to be as f*cked up as they are...

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[ Parent ]
Ooooh! Wait till the loonies read this!
Can't you just hear the conspiracy theories already?

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


simply awesome
Way to go!  That is heaps better than the responses I've gotten from leaders in my state on LGBT issues.  I swear if I get another form letter I'll puke.  Though I am planning a trip to the capitol for an attempt at a sit-down.

But, to have him call YOU.  Sweet!


OMG! What a day you had.
Think you should name either the fence or raised bed  'Baldacci Beds'.... send him some veggies!  IF he signs it... heck if he signs it send him a bushel!   . 

Thank you so much for all the reporting. 

PS. And I was going to the tire technique this year. Did the railroad ties, and the beds were actually too big, used too much water.  Ah well.. keep us informed.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


Should have added....

You both did a really good job today for our side! Thank you so. ...and to some extent I mean for our 'straight ally' side. As I just ran into two more groups on facebook who would accept GLBT's only!  

But for everyone for sure. Oh, I have to figure out how to get this out to our Supremes and make they squirm some more....AAAAAAAAA don't get me thinking about that..

Just thanks again very nice job. How remarkable of him to answer for sure. But it may have been due to a misspeak or mistype to begin with, hopefully. 



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Governor Baldacci
is cute.

I had to get that out.

Second, just how awesome is it that the Governor called someone that he disagreed with.

Thank you for sharing that, Louise!


Charlie's followup email
Here, with permission:


Dear Governor Baldacci,

I read the original post (my first email was generated after I had only heard Louise read it) and I owe you an apology for the tone of my first communication.  

I mistakenly took your quote about the people 'having their say" to mean you were going to pass on a decision.  In a fuller reading I see now that I was mistaken. Here is the full quote from MPBN:


"Although Gov. John Baldacci has not taken a position on LD 1020, he suggests that some kind of statewide response from Maine voters seems appropriate. "Let me just say, it was very clear to me that the turnout of people who were there that this is an issue that people feel strongly about and they're going to want to make sure that theyhave their say. In our state, I think they're going to want to be part of the decision-making. I don't know what formt that's going to take or how it's going to be done, but you just can't help but feel that way." - from MPBN

Politics and language really ought to try to avoid one another on controversial issues - so often they get confused.

I want to thank you for taking time from such a busy day to call me.  With the Flu preparation and a cabinet meeting right after our chat, you truly went out of your way.

I must, however, take this one more opportunity to lobby for your signature on 1020 when it reaches your desk.  I explained Brown VS Board of Education with the phrase "seperate but equal" to my daughter recently by equating it to the concept of marriage versus civil union.  Make no mistake, they are almost identical in their patently unequal treatment of a minority.

Once again, Governor, I enjoyed our chat immensly and wish you and your family well.

Sincerely,

Charlie ---



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Only in the United States, eh?
Or maybe, only in Maine.

Your relatives are going to be telling that story at family get-togethers for years to come, yea, even unto the 10th generation.

Suggestion for one of your tombstones:  "And then I told the Governor..."


I actually said that
already to my daughter:

"As I told the Governor..." (and then I burst out laughing; how INSANE is that?)

Another cool thing? He hadn't heard about NH's marriage bill being amended and passing on the Senate floor- I got to tell him the news!

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[ Parent ]
Couple of questions
Our later joint conclusion is that if a bill does pass and is presented to the governor for signing, he will indeed sign it.
By "joint conclusion" did you mean between you and Charlie, or between you and Governor Baldacci?

What is Baldacci's political affiliation?  This thread prompted me to read the "About the Governor" page on the Maine.gov site because I wanted to know what political party he belonged to.  Not a mention anywhere that I could find, even though it cited all the political offices to which he had been elected.


[ Parent ]
Joint = me and C
Governor wouldn't spill and as I told him, frankly I don't blame him for holding off.

He's a Democrat and always has been to the best of my knowledge, going back to when he was on the Bangor City Council.

What's cool on the above link- I had forgotten he was George Mitchell's cousin... told ya; small world up here! ;)

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Wonderful work Louise & Charlie
Maine sounds like an awesome place to live.

what's the prep work on getting ready for the "People's Veto"?
Does the election happen 180 days later?

How many signatures do they need and how close are they to getting the signatures? Don't they have to wait until the measure is signed or becomes law?


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"Peoples Veto" in Maine
Requires about 55,000 signatures and would be on the November ballot (not a special election).  One interesting point - Mainers are an ornery independant lot with almost universal scorn for new fangled ideas 'from away'.

If 1020 comes to a November vote (a la Prop 8 ) the one sure way to defeat it on the ballot is to say

"We can be just like California! How 'bout them moose puckys?"

Mainers will avoid that distinction like a swarm of black flies!

Question:  What does an atheist do when they fall to the floor and start "speaking in tongues"?

Answer: Get a CAT scan.


[ Parent ]
signature requirements
The veto group would have to collect 55,087 signatures within 90 days (actually in less time as they need to be verified).  They cannot begin collecting before the gov signs the bill, because there is no law to veto until he signs the law.  

The issue would probably be on the June 2010 primary ballot.  We have changed the law so that there would not be a special election in between as happened with the last people's veto.  It could be on the Nov 2009 ballot, if they collected the signatures quickly, but that is not likely.


[ Parent ]
I was under the impression
perhaps mistakenly, that signatures had already been gathered in churches throughout the state.  If they have, is that a violation under Maine's election laws?  

I fully intend to assist in a stringent and painstaking examination of every signature, every deadline and every dollar used in the veto process.

So we win on a technicality? That is okay against this crowd.

Likewise, as I understand it, the wording of the ballot measure is defined in the petition circulated.

This wording is critical as it is possible (in fact probable) that a NO vote will be required to keep marriage legal.  

Additionally, wording can significantly influence the undecided voter even at the point of casting their ballot in the booth.  

This is going to be a long and tough fight.  

Question:  What does an atheist do when they fall to the floor and start "speaking in tongues"?

Answer: Get a CAT scan.


[ Parent ]
and c'mon - I was off by 87 scribbled names?
snark

Question:  What does an atheist do when they fall to the floor and start "speaking in tongues"?

Answer: Get a CAT scan.


[ Parent ]
Wonderful
Louise, Charlie et al,

I shared this whole series of postings with my partner who lived happily in ME for 20 years and whose 63rd birthday is today.  What a present!  He is so proud of Mainers -- as am I now by extension -- and all four of our eyes were moved to tears.

Thank you all for your passion and dedication.

Jake
Phoenix


Thanks
and Happy Birthday! It's also my mom's bday- just called and woke her up... ;)

She got a kick out of the governor calling here, but as I  expected, wasn't too overly impressed or shocked- she's NATIVE.

But she did think that was nice.

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[ Parent ]
thanks for sharing
:0)

great story!
I remember after a campaign I was running, just after we learned we won the primary, I got a call at my candidate's house and picked up the phone. It was Governor Deval Patrick, but I didn't recognize the voice over the phone. I thought it was someone else and asked him if he was that person - "no," he says, "this is Governor Patrick," he continues, "is >>name of candidate<< home?"

I was so freaking embarrassed! I handed that phone off quickly LOL.  


Stopped by the Governor's office today
after LD 1020 passed the Senate.

He was in a meeting, so I chatted with his secretary and left him a note, thanking him for his phone call yesterday. She thought the story was hilarious!

Before the Senate convened, I ran into my old HS history (and favorite) teacher at the Statehouse; he was also a representative for 14 years. Hadn't seen him in 5 years and told him about yesterday.

He told me how when he was a frosh rep he was home lying down on his sofa one day when the phone rang. Reached over and grabbed it- then stood straight up at attention, as it was then Governor Angus King on the phone. His ex-military sense of protocal/respect for a superior officer had automatically kicked in! ;)

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